Goblin Slayer (light novel)
| Never heard of it before now, but skimming this thread only piqued my interest in it. |
| From the other discussion thread. kerpulgeant said: This is really bad. All I see is extremely generic fantasy with rape and excessive gore thrown in for no apparent reason other than to shock and anger the viewer. There is no attempt to illicit contemplation or a complex emotional response, only mindless shock and anger. I'm totally fine the depiction of rape and gratuitous gore in a way that develops a character in a meaningful way, or challenges the viewer to think about an idea or concept (Perfect Blue is an excellent example of this). Goblin Slayer is not using violent imagery thoughtfully. They are using it to produce a cheap emotional response in the viewer. It's hilarious to me that people think this is groundbreaking. It has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's not interesting, inspiring, or even entertaining. Of course, this is my judgment based on the first episode, and I could be wrong on multiple counts. |
Purple_Gh0st24 said: Vongalaxy said: lol what? Something can only be dark if it's thought-provoking? You can argue whether something is a good or bad dark fantasy but saying that dark series must be thought-provoking is one of the dumbest shit I have heard. "Dark" is a tone of a story and a story certainly doesn't have to be thought-provoking to be dark. Perhaps "thought-provoking" wasn't the right way to word it. Allow me to rephrase: something cannot be dark without meaning. By that, I mean without any meaning, it just becomes pretentious and *e-word.* You are correct, dark is a tone of fiction. Now, the real question here is how do we apply meaning to a dark tone? That's simple, keep consistency and make the audience think, hence why I had previously worded it as "thought-provoking." Texhnolyze, for example, is most definately a dark anime. It shows humanity at its worst - which may make certain viewers question what they and other people are capable of - and it's consistently drenched in cynicism - which may change some viewers worldview. As for Goblin Slayer... it's just a show about some random guy who kills goblins. Nothing impressive there. Apologists may argue that GS is cool because characters get brutally murdered and raped, but remember what I had said previously? Without meaning, it's just pretentious shock value. I'm honestly disappointed because there could have been potential. If I were to write the story, it wouldn't be so one-sided. There should be magnanimous goblins and vile humans. Goblin Slayer himself could be abusive towards everyone around him, maybe he could even kill other humans who are in his way? This way, the viewer may have to question whether or not Goblin Slayer's genocidal quest is a good idea. But nope... instead we have a story where all goblins are inherently evil just because. Black and white stories such as this belong in children's books! Another problem is that GS panders towards young *e-word* children, fans of isekai, as well as fans of harem. Don't tell me it isn't a harem show, what with all those female fanservice characters. You are also correct that there are both good and bad dark fantasies, but I don't think GS can even compare to the worst dark fantasy. That would be like comparing Pingu to Berserk, obviously with GS being Pingu in this metaphor. Hell, GS isn't even a fantasy world! It's an RPG-but-totally-not-RPG world. Since OP doesn't want any toxicity - and because I would like to respect that - if you're going to reply, make it worthwhile. I'll accept any valid rebuttal from anyone, but I won't accept pointless arguments. Let's keep things civil. I don't get your point on how GS isn't a fantasy world. It is exactly what a generic fantasy world looks like and there is barely any RPG elements in it. And no, it isn't a harem show, just because there are numerous female characters and some fanservice doesn't mean it's a harem. I am a little into the manga and there have been almost no hints of any romance or any of the girls really wanting that GS D. I agree that there are lots of problems with Goblin Slayer and there are missed potential but that doesn't mean that it isn't dark. Dark stories don't need to have deep meanings or "thought-provoking" to be dark. Goblins raping and brutally murdering people give motives to GS for doing what he does. You can argue that it isn't well done but it is still a dark way to portray generic fantasy goblins. Ask some random people whether a story about a man blinded by vengeance after witnessing everyone that he love gets raped and slaughtered in front of him and dedicate his every living moment into slaughtering monsters that commit such atrocities is dark or not. 9/10 would probably say that it is. The story might not have much substances or deep meanings or make you think much, but it is still consistently dark with its scenes, which is exactly what tone is. |
HeroicIdealism said: And of course you like Bakemonogatari which consistently fetishizes little girls and is full of pretentious dialogue, but oh no Goblin Slayer is actually honest about its fanservice and edge so it's bad. Nice tu quoque buddy. It can be debated whether my taste in other anime is inconsistent with my claims about Goblin Slayer, but even if they are, it does not make my original claims false. We aren't talking about Bakemonogatari, we are talking about Goblin Slayer. I don't care if Goblin Slayer is honest about its fanservice and edge; I don't recall claiming that it was trying to hide it. My claim was that the use of rape and gratuitous violence in this context is cheap, unchallenging, and uninteresting. |
Dang it, I love playing those Goblin cards. There is also Hammer Shot which shows a bunch of Goblins crushed by a giant hammer. Now I doubt I will touch those. |
 and all its variation made me lol |
HeroicIdealism said: Fair enough I guess (I committed a grave logical fallacy sin, my bad). I don't understand how to make it any less cheap, to be quite honest. When I think of "cheap" edge, I think of Akame ga Kill where someone will be slaughtered and then there will be comedy in the next scene. Thank God Goblin Slayer doesn't have shitty anime comedy, at least. So far it's been better in that regard than even Berserk. It's all good man. I hope I didn't come off as a jerk. I don't mean to condemn anyone who enjoys this anime, only to say why it's not for me. |
| I admire that the show seems to not try and be something that it's not; it isn't aiming to come across as a "deep" show that has strong thematic exploration or messages. It's just following a dude whose purpose is to kill every goblin he comes across, whilst showing how cruel goblins are in their acts towards humans. That's not to say it won't try and encompass any themes as personally I think over the duration of the show we'll gain a better idea of where the Slayer's motives towards eradicating goblins stem from, and how outright killing them the way the Slayer goes about it may not be the most helpful way to go about it, possibly even causing further conflict between humans and goblins overall. But as it is right now, it's a simple action fantasy show. very much schlocky but hey, some people can very well like the show, and that's fine. However, there's a lot of things that I dislike about Goblin Slayer that makes it, to me, a very bad show. Unremarkable directing on display, laughable use of CG, blantant tropes that have been incorporated in practically every other fantasy world in anime today, a generic world that's supposedly an RPG but barely alludes to any in-game mechanics (why even call it a game?), ultimately irrelevant characters who are so dumb that of course they would die in the first episode. All and more toppled onto a standard barebones action tale of a big guy killing goblins for a living makes the show feel like a waste of time. They didn't even depict rape well. I'm mainly just watching to see where this trainwreck is gonna end up |
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| The thing i dislike about Goblin Slayer is the attention its gets for no reason. |
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| Honestly, Goblin Slayer is pretty lack luster. From what I've read from the manga, it's just a violent series about killing goblins. Also, the constant switching between CG and 2D for Goblin Slayer looks awful. |
| Sigh. |
Swagernator said: The thing i dislike about Goblin Slayer is the attention its gets for no reason. i also hate the attention it gets though i'm a fan. I just want my GS anime become a standard forgettable seasonal anime. Guess the initial PG-13 rating really ruined this anime. But since the rape that everyone fuss about will no longer exist on future episodes, i only can guess this ridiculous attention will stop in two weeks. |
| I liked Punisher MAX and Goblin Slayer is just the Punisher except the criminals are goblins. It's great! |
Purple_Gh0st24 said: I dislike Goblin Slayer because people are praising it as a "dark fantasy." Most of those people probably don't even know what a dark fantasy even is. Goblin Slayer is nothing more than ostentatious shock value. I don't mind rape scenes, I don't mind violence, I don't mind horror-like elements... as long as they are all executed in a tasteful manner and have a narrative purpose. I have no reason to care for the characters in the first episode since it is so blatantly obvious they only exist to die. It's all just shock value. Goblin Slayer is not dark. Dark is when a piece of fiction actually has something meaningful to say - it is something that makes you think and genuinely fear. There are dark anime and manga, such as Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Berserk, Houseki no Kuni, etc. So, what does Goblin Slayer have to say? Goblins are evil... because goblins. It's just too black and white; it feels more like a children's story. Overall, it seems that Goblin Slayer is just another generic seasonal anime: much like Re:Zero was before it, and SAO before that. Eventually the hype will die down. Now, I don't care if you like Goblin Slayer. Opinions are opinions, after all, and you have every right to enjoy this series if you want to. I'll respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. With that said, I do think fans of the series should accept criticism. All my criticism is of the series itself and is in no way a personal attack against fans. I'm pretty sure the author never wanted to to make a dark fantasy story. The story actually revolves around this traumatized PTSD guy and his neverending crusade against goblins, the people who cares about him and his obvious inhability to deal whith his trauma, and actually, also around the goblins themselves. It even have a POV of the goblins sometimes. It doesn't try to be more. Generic, in today standards is good. We lack masterpieces lately, so is refreshing to see something else than Isekai shits You are in your right to think that 2 episodes are enough to judge whatever you want, that also shows your cappacity to judge things, and people will take you with the seriousness equivalent to that, and it not much. Have a nice day. |
| My opinion comes from the manga and if its anything lime the manga then my problem is that its litterally goblins kill/rape humans goblin slayer kills goblins. Maybe add difdrent ways of doing it. But its basicly the same thing every time. NthDegree said: This again? *sigh* Compelling fantasy world? You mean that generic not-game-but-totally-is setting with "adventurers" and a ton of RPG tropes that almost every fantasy world uses nowadays? And tension in fights? Pfft. GS just throws a bunch of totally disposable party memebers at us and then expects us to be invested despite completely forgetting to give us a reason to care about them. And speaking of pandering, what was that gratuitous violence and rape about? Because we have no reason to care about the characters, it served no narrative purpose other than being misery porn for people who like that. ^ sums it up nicely. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
monolith said: Purple_Gh0st24 said: I dislike Goblin Slayer because people are praising it as a "dark fantasy." Most of those people probably don't even know what a dark fantasy even is. Goblin Slayer is nothing more than ostentatious shock value. I don't mind rape scenes, I don't mind violence, I don't mind horror-like elements... as long as they are all executed in a tasteful manner and have a narrative purpose. I have no reason to care for the characters in the first episode since it is so blatantly obvious they only exist to die. It's all just shock value. Goblin Slayer is not dark. Dark is when a piece of fiction actually has something meaningful to say - it is something that makes you think and genuinely fear. There are dark anime and manga, such as Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Berserk, Houseki no Kuni, etc. So, what does Goblin Slayer have to say? Goblins are evil... because goblins. It's just too black and white; it feels more like a children's story. Overall, it seems that Goblin Slayer is just another generic seasonal anime: much like Re:Zero was before it, and SAO before that. Eventually the hype will die down. Now, I don't care if you like Goblin Slayer. Opinions are opinions, after all, and you have every right to enjoy this series if you want to. I'll respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. With that said, I do think fans of the series should accept criticism. All my criticism is of the series itself and is in no way a personal attack against fans. I'm pretty sure the author never wanted to to make a dark fantasy story. The story actually revolves around this traumatized PTSD guy and his neverending crusade against goblins, the people who cares about him and his obvious inhability to deal whith his trauma, and actually, also around the goblins themselves. It even have a POV of the goblins sometimes. It doesn't try to be more. Generic, in today standards is good. We lack masterpieces lately, so is refreshing to see something else than Isekai shits You are in your right to think that 2 episodes are enough to judge whatever you want, that also shows your cappacity to judge things, and people will take you with the seriousness equivalent to that, and it not much. Have a nice day. Thank you for being respectful. Now, I don't know whether or not Goblin Slayer was ever intended to be a dark fantasy - I'll have to look into that - but I was simply stating that I've heard of fans of the show praising it as one, so I judged it as such. It's likely that the manga is better than the anime, so I'll probably check that out at some point. You also made an interesting point here. monolith said: Generic, in today standards is good. We lack masterpieces lately, so is refreshing to see something else than Isekai shits With a plethora of unoriginal isekai anime coming out every year, I can see how something like Goblin Slayer may be refreshing to some. However, I don't believe that generic is ever good. I don't think we should accept mediocrity. Creativity never dies; there are many masterpiece anime waiting to be made, but they won't be made unless we, the audience, show that we won't give into mediocrity. Alas, I don't see this happening anytime in the foreseeable future. Anyhow, people are free to like Goblin Slayer if they so wish - even if it pains me to know that a better anime could have been made instead. Have a nice day. |
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2Mickennxtre68 said: My problem is just that it’s really vapid. There are tons of anime with way lower scores that have much more interesting things to say than Goblin Slayer. It feels like the whole show is just juxtaposing cute busty girls, against insane violence. The fact that the main male character’s face is isn’t as important as him “looking cool” and all the girls getting way more lines and screen space to either flop around sexually or die. Sometimes both. The fact this series is getting compared to Beserk seems unfair. At least Guts has a face and personality. Idk, maybe the manga gets better, I dropped it and will probably drop the show soon too. If there’s some deeper meaning to it someone let me know. As some one whos read the manga it doesnt really improve in terms of quality. It just repeats the same formula over and over again. The goblins remain cartoonishly evil. And the protagonist goblin slayer has the depth of a blank peice of paper for as far as I got in the manga before becoming bored. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
The guy who write Goblin Slayer just loved the chapter with trolls of Berserk, but only this one so he cut it and made an entire licence with it  Na seriously the problem with this anime is obviously the old PG-13 and the fact that it is overrated as fuck (the numbers of topics, the reviews deleted with 10/10) but meh, I guess it give us many funny topics to read so that's not bad  |
| As always I appreciate the RPG and fantasy side, but that's all Character's aren't very developed and special ( ok we're just at episode 2 but that's not an excuse ) Onna is likely the most generic character on the show for now, she's just basically the rookie who begans her adventure but without knowing anything about what's going to happen and byso gets rekt at every corner I kinda appreciate the Goblin Slayer character. In the first episode I thought he was too edgy and was one of those silent assholes wearing an armor who don't care about the others, but thanks I was wrong because he's actually kind I also think the show is trying way too hard to be dark and violent. I perfectly know a world with gobelins is violent, and I don't really mind about it, but tragic backstories or gruesome deaths that don't add anything good to the scenario are just a pure waste In an anime or in everything else, I always care a lot about the characters and the environment And in Goblin Slayer, we only have 2 important characters, which are still pretty blank, and a bunch of useless people who are here just to die on screen or to be the stereotypical characters ( yeah I'm talking about that others adventurers seen in episode 2 : the arrogant professionals, the big-boobed witch or the dumb hot headed ) Oh and by the way, let's not talk about the ridiculous boob physics and the fan service in episode 2 I nearly thought Ushikai Musume could be an interesting character but now I'll only see her as an empty shell just here for the fanservice Honestly, at this point, if you want to watch a short anime of 12-13 episodes with a young little blonde girl going on an adventure, just pick Made in Abyss because it's way much better ( I still enjoy Goblin Slayer btw, but this anime is way far from perfect, it's... averagely satisfying to watch ) |
| The adventurer's guild concept seems a little bit more thought out than similar Isekais. The care they put into world building eps 1 and 2 is refreshing to me and the contract system actually makes sense for once. |
| Probably the best side of it thus far is how well thought out everything seems to be. If the goblins weren't clever enough to defend their nests from under prepared newbie adventurers, there probably wouldn't be very many goblins. On the other hand, the main character is capable of dealing with goblins not because of a massive difference in strength but because he's resourceful and experienced. The part that seems kind of distasteful is how certain things feel like they've been given an uncomfortable amount of focus, even though it seems to be better in the animated version than in the manga/LN. For example, showing the Priestess wetting her pants didn't add anything that a more horrified look wouldn't, especially since the smell thing was later explained as the reason why the main character doesn't keep his equipment clean. If I'm being completely honest, it came across as perverse rather than sympathetic, which kind of muddied the atmosphere that the series had been building up to that point, which in turn adds a really dark side to the gratuitous rape, sexual violence and nudity beyond just being a means to demonstrate the cruelty of the goblins. |
| The blandest, least surprising writing of all time. It is as if a very slow teenager wrote it with the intent to insert every cliche he's into at the moment without even trying to turn it into a believable world, a good story, or likeable characters. The author is a completely talentless hack even fanfiction writers would laugh out of the building, but because so many anime fans think that dark equals good, he got his cancer made into an anime. |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
| I've caught up on the manga I like and hate that they focused on having a character being a specialist on something instead of having a character that can demolish everything. Like its interesting that he knows a lot about Goblins, but its boring because that's all he knows. |
| I like seeing the goblins get a new one tore open. |
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Kazataro said: i like the rape scenes it fulfils a fantasy of mine ^This lmao And because GS is badass and the Elf archer is too precious. What i dislike : Goblin slayer's 3dcgi armour, cow girl's VA, important scenes getting cut, bad censoring, snowflakes and hypocrites triggered by the rape scene. |
NothinComplexPlsOct 23, 2018 2:08 AM
| Going through this thread, I am glad that Japanese animation studios don't listen to their western audience or give a cow's moo to their opinion, ¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
SynchronisityOct 23, 2018 9:15 AM
epidemia78 said: Hentai is for fapping. I think most people rate it based on how fappable it is not because of the story, characters and plot. Like who watches hentai fot the plot?Purple_Gh0st24 said: I dislike Goblin Slayer because people are praising it as a "dark fantasy." Most of those people probably don't even know what a dark fantasy even is. Goblin Slayer is nothing more than ostentatious shock value. I don't mind rape scenes, I don't mind violence, I don't mind horror-like elements... as long as they are all executed in a tasteful manner and have a narrative purpose. I have no reason to care for the characters in the first episode since it is so blatantly obvious they only exist to die. It's all just shock value. Goblin Slayer is not dark. Dark is when a piece of fiction actually has something meaningful to say - it is something that makes you think and genuinely fear. There are dark anime and manga, such as Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Berserk, Houseki no Kuni, etc. So, what does Goblin Slayer have to say? Goblins are evil... because goblins. It's just too black and white; it feels more like a children's story. Overall, it seems that Goblin Slayer is just another generic seasonal anime: much like Re:Zero was before it, and SAO before that. Eventually the hype will die down. Now, I don't care if you like Goblin Slayer. Opinions are opinions, after all, and you have every right to enjoy this series if you want to. I'll respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. With that said, I do think fans of the series should accept criticism. All my criticism is of the series itself and is in no way a personal attack against fans. Sorry, I'm gonna have to make this personal. You say that rape scenes are only ok when executed in a tasteful manner but I see that you rated a hentai OVA about a little girl being raped by her friends a 6. |
"I have been wielding a blade since before your were swimming around your father's scrotum." - Kurou |
Synchronisity said: Going through this thread, I am glad that Japanese animation studio doesn't listen to their western audience or give a cow's moo to their opinion, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Yep, every mal criticism is incredibly stuid especially when a popular anime comes up. These people believe their opinion matters, they didn’t let people love what they like. People who actually troll anime series for their own amusement is actually better than heathens who seriously try to convince people to hate particular shows. |
Lord_Of_Denial said: Kazataro said: i like the rape scenes it fulfils a fantasy of mine ^This lmao And because GS is badass and the Elf archer is too precious. What i dislike : Goblin slayer's 3dcgi armour, cow girl's VA, important scenes getting cut, bad censoring, snowflakes and hypocrites triggered by the rape scene. Dunno, alot of those dislikes are pretty entertaining. The people crying about fictional rape are especially hilarious. |
Pxi2 said: The people crying about fictional rape are especially hilarious. I must say, I can not deny that. Though I dislike the outrage, I do find them quite amusing. |
| Looks pretty good. I would have marked episode 1 as episode 0 as it is more as a background of why the characters act as they do. I like that unlike other adventure anime the characters use strategy instead of just going full force and being invincible unrealistic Gary Stu and Mary Sue |
| i like how the anime can express the reality of its world in less than 20 minutes... We begin the first ep. with a common cliche anime, but later we see how their world is cruel and how the things definitely dont go how they wanted... many people say that the rape scenes are wrong and just incetivate the people to do it; obviusly, it's wrong, they're there for us to understand how goblins are an irracil specie... Until ep.3 , no dislikes :) |
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